Comments on: Economics as enterprise-architecture http://weblog.tetradian.com/2010/03/13/economics-as-ea/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=economics-as-ea Random ramblings over the metaphoric edge Tue, 22 May 2012 05:34:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tom G http://weblog.tetradian.com/2010/03/13/economics-as-ea/comment-page-1/#comment-36874 Tom G Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:27:32 +0000 http://weblog.tomgraves.org/?p=770#comment-36874 John - Regrettably, as I explained repeatedly in the 'Future of Money' thread - and about which you were, and clearly still are, so appallingly rude - <em>you are presenting a predetermined 'answer' without considering any of the underlying questions</em>. You have not even <em>begun</em> to ask any of the necessary questions. Did it never occur to you, for example, that the reason "Tom doesn't have any suggestions" is because he's not so darned stupid as to make that mistake? The LETS models are <em>still</em> possession-based: they <em>do not resolve</em> any of the underlying problems. They are, at best, a short-term fix that might help to tackle some few of the immediate problems, though seem likely to create new ones - particularly 'currency-exchange' issues. <em>Unless you can demonstrate a clear migration-path from your model to the long-term requirement, your 'solution' will be of little real use</em>, and is at a high risk of being worse-than-useless. The key point, <em>as I have repeatedly tried to explain to you</em>, is that you are tackling this from the <em>wrong</em> direction: you are attempting to go from the end that does not work, futzing around with small detail-tweaks, without any clear path to what does work. You have mocked me repeatedly for attempting to do this the <em>right</em> way round from an enterprise-architecture perspective, namely to go from the high-level requirements back down towards the detail-layer. If and when you have <em>any</em> grasp about how to to create an economic model for a large organisation, I will be pleased to discuss this with you. Until then, please stop wasting everyone's time - including your own - with these pointless petty game-plays? <em>Thank you!</em> John – Regrettably, as I explained repeatedly in the ‘Future of Money’ thread – and about which you were, and clearly still are, so appallingly rude – you are presenting a predetermined ‘answer’ without considering any of the underlying questions. You have not even begun to ask any of the necessary questions. Did it never occur to you, for example, that the reason “Tom doesn’t have any suggestions” is because he’s not so darned stupid as to make that mistake?

The LETS models are still possession-based: they do not resolve any of the underlying problems. They are, at best, a short-term fix that might help to tackle some few of the immediate problems, though seem likely to create new ones – particularly ‘currency-exchange’ issues. Unless you can demonstrate a clear migration-path from your model to the long-term requirement, your ‘solution’ will be of little real use, and is at a high risk of being worse-than-useless.

The key point, as I have repeatedly tried to explain to you, is that you are tackling this from the wrong direction: you are attempting to go from the end that does not work, futzing around with small detail-tweaks, without any clear path to what does work. You have mocked me repeatedly for attempting to do this the right way round from an enterprise-architecture perspective, namely to go from the high-level requirements back down towards the detail-layer.

If and when you have any grasp about how to to create an economic model for a large organisation, I will be pleased to discuss this with you. Until then, please stop wasting everyone’s time – including your own – with these pointless petty game-plays?

Thank you!

]]> By: KingofthePaupers http://weblog.tetradian.com/2010/03/13/economics-as-ea/comment-page-1/#comment-36873 KingofthePaupers Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:05:50 +0000 http://weblog.tomgraves.org/?p=770#comment-36873 Tom Graves: "our present money-based ‘possession-economy’ fails virtually every possible test against the necessary values. It is demonstrably unfair; its natural ‘gravitation’ creates and reinforces all manner of inequities; it is clearly not sustainable; it is frighteningly inefficient (so much so that in order to prop up ‘the economy’ we are urged to be as wasteful as possible); and, increasingly, less and less reliable... and implemented by a standardised form of barter called ‘money’. A brief POSIWID assessment shows just how successful the ‘money-economy’ really is(n’t.. So there is an urgent need for something – some social institution – to begin to pull all of these threads together." Jct: Agreed, there is an urgent need for something to begin to pull all these threads together. Sadly Tom doesn't have any suggestions. I like the UNILETS Millennium Declaration C6 to restructure the global financial architecture with and interest-free time-based currrency to eliminate the peoblems of the interest-bearing stuff-based currency issued by banks. Tom Graves: “our present money-based ‘possession-economy’ fails virtually every possible test against the necessary values. It is demonstrably unfair; its natural ‘gravitation’ creates and reinforces all manner of inequities; it is clearly not sustainable; it is frighteningly inefficient (so much so that in order to prop up ‘the economy’ we are urged to be as wasteful as possible); and, increasingly, less and less reliable… and implemented by a standardised form of barter called ‘money’. A brief POSIWID assessment shows just how successful the ‘money-economy’ really is(n’t.. So there is an urgent need for something – some social institution – to begin to pull all of these threads together.”
Jct: Agreed, there is an urgent need for something to begin to pull all these threads together. Sadly Tom doesn’t have any suggestions. I like the UNILETS Millennium Declaration C6 to restructure the global financial architecture with and interest-free time-based currrency to eliminate the peoblems of the interest-bearing stuff-based currency issued by banks.

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