Comments on: EA in China – three views

By: Tom G

Tom G — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:54:54 +0000

Hi Walter

I do take your point, but please do note that nowhere have I said that “the whole-of-enterprise view that I’ve been pushing” is the only such view available? I am well aware that others such as yourself, Len, Dave and Jos have done similar work in parallel to mine, and I have often commented on that fact – as you know.

It is definitely true that many Open Group members are “slowly beginning to accept” the necessity for a whole-of-enterprise approach to EA, and many of those are publicly acknowledging their usage of my models and methods for this. And it probably is true that I may be the only person related to the Open Group who has documented all of this in detailed, practical form that has been fully proven and tested in live architectural practice.

So I do apologise, but I really cannot see what you’re objecting to in the comment you referenced. Please expand, perhaps?

Many thanks – tom g.

By: Walter

Walter — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:06:16 +0000

@Tom G
Hi Tom, your blog:
“but what interests me is how the whole-of-enterprise view that I’ve been pushing (and that Open Group is _slowly_ beginning to accept)”

You make this look like you are the key promoter of holistic EA in TOG and that folks are turning around to your views.

Len Fehskens, Dave van Gelder, Harry Hendrix, Jos van Oosten, myself and others were key drivers over many years to successfully move TOG members and conference attendees to consider EA as a holistic concept, through many controversial discussions. I did not witness your participation in these discussions, and wonder why you make the public statement that Open Group members are coming around to your view.

Best regards Walter

By: John Pogreen

John Pogreen — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:47:26 +0000

Especially interested in the Yong Gong piece. I’m in the TOGAF Prelim Phase at the health care provider we corresponded about. I’m doing a similar mapping of the ADM to PMI – those insights will be useful.

By: peter_t

peter_t — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:30:16 +0000

Now that I’ve read it – I still say about bloody time but now say thank you.

By: Tom G

Tom G — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:24:36 +0000

Thanks Peter – I ain’t vanished, just been running on overload for a while…

By: Tom G

Tom G — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:23:56 +0000

Thanks Jorgen – agree entirely. Open Group are there, so to speak – given Allen Brown’s presentations to Professor Yao’s course in Beijing – but what interests me is how the whole-of-enterprise view that I’ve been pushing (and that Open Group is _slowly_ beginning to accept) aligns with classic Chinese models such as Wu Xing (‘Five Elements’).

By: peter_t

peter_t — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:03:10 +0000

About bloody time. I thought you’d fallen in a hole. Lol.

By: Jörgen Dahlberg

Jörgen Dahlberg — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:39:03 +0000

Excellent writeup. Will be interesting to see how EA and Open Group evolves under the red flag.