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	<title>Comments on: Out in the back-room</title>
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		<title>By: Tom G</title>
		<link>http://weblog.tetradian.com/2007/02/25/out-in-the-back-room/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shawn, James - hope the next topic (already posted) gives you some answers on that.

Yeah, James, I too have serious reservations about TOGAF - they&#039;re doing useful work in the IT-space, but not really much beyond that, even though at every conference people plead with them to address the framework&#039;s huge limitations, especially in the business-architecture area.

What I&#039;ve been trying to do with the book - and for a fair few years now, in  any case - is to stop thinking of IT as a special case (which it isn&#039;t, exactly as you say in your own blog) and instead rethink enterprise-architecture from the ground up. What _is_ the enterprise? What is its purpose? Its people? Its knowledge? Its processes, activities, assets in the broadest sense?

To my mind, there&#039;s little or no real point in diving down into TOGAF-like detail until we _have_ sorted things out right up at that topmost level - or at least gotten some kind of reasonable handle on it.

Opinions, p&#039;raps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shawn, James &#8211; hope the next topic (already posted) gives you some answers on that.</p>
<p>Yeah, James, I too have serious reservations about TOGAF &#8211; they&#8217;re doing useful work in the IT-space, but not really much beyond that, even though at every conference people plead with them to address the framework&#8217;s huge limitations, especially in the business-architecture area.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve been trying to do with the book &#8211; and for a fair few years now, in  any case &#8211; is to stop thinking of IT as a special case (which it isn&#8217;t, exactly as you say in your own blog) and instead rethink enterprise-architecture from the ground up. What _is_ the enterprise? What is its purpose? Its people? Its knowledge? Its processes, activities, assets in the broadest sense?</p>
<p>To my mind, there&#8217;s little or no real point in diving down into TOGAF-like detail until we _have_ sorted things out right up at that topmost level &#8211; or at least gotten some kind of reasonable handle on it.</p>
<p>Opinions, p&#8217;raps?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://weblog.tetradian.com/2007/02/25/out-in-the-back-room/comment-page-1/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully your book will go beyond TOGAF as this topic has been covered to death...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully your book will go beyond TOGAF as this topic has been covered to death&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Callahan</title>
		<link>http://weblog.tetradian.com/2007/02/25/out-in-the-back-room/comment-page-1/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to seeing your booklet Tom. Can you give us a preview of the topics you will be covering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing your booklet Tom. Can you give us a preview of the topics you will be covering?</p>
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